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Councilman backs land-use lawsuit, Dec 12, 2009
by Kristin Agostoni
original article found here

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They do not constitute a part of the original news article. To read the original article, please go here.

South Bay Longtimer
AOL Sunday Dec 13

Bravo Bill Brand!

Nothing Brand is doing should come as any surprise to anyone -- except perhaps the fact that he is one of a rapidly dying breed: elected officials who actually do what they promise, and stick to the campaign agenda that got them elected.

We need more Bill Brands in all levels of government -- but the only way that's likely to happen is if we all get firmly behind the one we have.

Let your support of Bill Brand be heard loud and clear, and send his fellow Councilmembers the message that their refusal to properly represent their constituencies will no longer be tolerated!

A contribution to Build a Better Redondo makes an *infinitely* better Christmas gift than <yawn> just another department store item (that will likely only get returned)! ;-)

Attaboy Bill
Torrance, CA
Sunday Dec 13

No man in the wrong can stand up to a man in the right who keeps coming on. -Texas Rangers motto.

Thank God
Los Angeles, CA
Sunday Dec 13

It's about time that a city councilman in Redondo isn't a real estate developer. We've been sodomized for years by the city council, beginning with the Heartburn of the City where the council spent MILLIONS brining in consultants to override the will of the people. During Heartburn of the City, I personally went to the EIR meetings and had consultants tell me my positions were wrong and that it didn't matter anyway because the city was going to do whatever it wanted.

And let's not forget the city pissing away $100K on a vote recount because the sitting councilmen "lost" on an initiative.

I'm cautiously optimistic that someone finally has our best interest at heart, and not that of real estate developers.

We'll see, time will tell.

North Redondo Resident
United States
Sunday Dec 13

I didn't move here (Artesia & Aviation) to see time shares built up on our beach. Nor can I deal with more traffic than what we already have.
The city must be afraid of the people's wishes and desires. They must know we would not support this plan. Otherwise, why wouldn't they just let the vote happen?

Here we go again
Redondo Beach, CA
Sunday Dec 13

I just wonder how long a small group of special interest are going to keep pushing flawed waterfront zoning proposals and expect a different result?

They should use the upcoming hearing process to find out what is still bothering people and revise the zoning accordingly. Then put it to a vote.

The way the Redondo council has worked for the past 10+ years on zoning is to appoint cronies to the planning commission, give lip service to community input, and then ram zoning down people's throat only to have it rejected time and time again.

This last time they got this about 90% there. Even the city attorney is saying the final package has to go to a vote. It is the rest of city council that is the problem here, not Bill Brand. Perhaps the rest of the council should listen to what the City Attorney is trying to tell them.

Is anybody for stopping all the finger pointing and bickering and just sit down and fix the remaining zoning issues? Sadly, I don't think so,....so here we go again.

El Kabong
Murrieta, CA
Sunday Dec 13

I'm sure our founding fathers are smiling down from heaven on the activities of Building a Better Redondo and Bill Brand. The people have spoken in their vote for Measure DD and their election of Bill Brand to office. The rest of council falsely said they would support the will of the people when Measure DD won the election. Now they've shown their true colors. Bill Brand and BBR are left with no other recourse than to sue the city.

I sent in my donation. God speed Bill Brand and BBR!

Jim Light
Murrieta, CA
Sunday Dec 13

Go Bill Brand!

Bill Brand is alone on the Council in truly representing what residents want. I hope others will show their support for him by donating to BBR's legal defense fund.

As to Aspel's words on BBR support of the development cap - he unfortunately took one comment from one email out of context and left out the main point of that same e-mail . The bulk and main thrust of the email clearly stated my concern that the impacts were not adequately analyzed and presented to the public. The email asked the Council to require a new traffic study rather than use the outdated, inaccurate Heart of the City impact report. The Council ignored this request and chose to continue with an impact report that was expedient, but not in any way accurate or representative of what we residents should expect with this upzoning. They knew if they waited there was no way they could dispute that the zoning would have to go to a vote of the people.

My concerns were recently vindicated in the City's new Circulation Element. The traffic analysis in this document clearly shows gridlock resulting all around this massive upzoning. But the Council (minus Bill) does not seem to care that they now have evidence the impact report they signed is wrong. You would think they would show their concern about the impacts of this gridlock to the residents. Instead they avoid the issue by redirecting the questions to city staff who dance around the issue rather than address the conflicts in the reports.

The claims about this action being a "downzoning" are laughable and misleading. Don't buy it. Just more scare tactics from a pro-development council and a leaseholder who has produced plans showing a waterfront mall blocking all but slivers of views of the harbor and eating into the Seaside Lagoon parking lot and usable open space. Decron pulled their drawing because our representation of it was accurate. If our statements were inaccurate, why would they pull it?

RPT
Redondo Beach, CA
Sunday Dec 13

Donate to the Cause wrote:
NOW is the time to help with a great local cause. Finally the citizens have a way to effectively be heard on big development, instead of crossing their fingers on a candidate who says he's for 'controlled growth.'
Send in a little,$25, and be part of history....
Building a Better Redondo
602 South Broadway Unit B
Redondo Beach, CA 90277
www.buildingabetterredondo.org
You have got to be freaking kidding me! Building a Better Redondo,the group against Condos and Density is addressed to a CONDO! You guys are a hypocritical joke!

Jim Light
Murrieta, CA
12Sunday Dec 13

RPT wrote:
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You have got to be freaking kidding me! Building a Better Redondo,the group against Condos and Density is addressed to a CONDO! You guys are a hypocritical joke!
I guess RPT is a single family dwelling elitest. I am sure he would oppose converting his neighborhood to condos. How hypocritical can you get?

BBR never fought existing zoning for condos. BBR never opposed any specific zoning. We fought for a VOTE on upzoning and conversion of public and business property to more condos. We have also fought for ACCURATE impact reports so the people would know the impacts on their quality of life before making a decision to support or oppose an upzoning. BBR fought to get residents on an even keep with developers in our City's rezoning processes. Commissions were supposed to provide residents a voice. Unfortunately, our Mayor stacks the planning and harbor commission with people that advocate development. Our City has never put a slow growth resident on either of these critical commissions despite repeated applications. They stack the deck. BBR fought for a vote of the people and now we are fighting that the City follow its own law and the will of its people as evidenced by the vote on Measure DD.

RPT implies that more condos would be good for Redondo. We are already 43rd in the US in population density. The recent circulation element shows over 40% of our intesections going to gridlock by 2030. Over 80% of Redondo residents leave Redondo everyday to go to work. We need to bring professional businesses into Redondo not more condos. Professional businesses will support the retail and restaurant businesses in Redondo with daytime customers. Professional businesses could reduce traffic in Redondo while improving the business climate and raising city revenue. Current zoning practices only exacerbate traffic and each condo we add costs the city money in the long run.

Get a clue RPT.

R-Smart
Los Angeles, CA
Sunday Dec 13

Hey Redondo; It just may be time to re-write your city Charter.

This is a major issue and it needs to be brought to the people, after all it "IS" their town!!!

ReCondo Beach
Los Angeles, CA
Sunday Dec 13

Condomania abounds. But Brand should do the right thing and resign first, then sue the city.

Jim Light
Murrieta, CA
Sunday Dec 13

ReCondo Beach wrote:
Condomania abounds. But Brand should do the right thing and resign first, then sue the city.

That makes no sense. On what basis should Bill resign? The fact that he is suing to get the City to follow its own law? Maybe the other Councilmen should resign for trying to circumvent the City charter.

There are other cases where Councilmen and City officials have sued the City and retain their jobs/elected positions. What is the logical argument for Bill to resign when he is trying to ensure the City follows its own charter? How does Bill's involvement with the lawsuit on the harbor rezoning preclude him from participating in any other issue, vote or action of the City Council?

We allow realtors and developers to be Councilmen. I see no reason for Bill to have to resign. In fact, I'd like to have more like him on the Council.

No Way
Los Angeles, CA
Sunday Dec 13

ReCondo Beach wrote:
Condomania abounds. But Brand should do the right thing and resign first, then sue the city.
This is WHY he was elected. Change can only occur from the INSIDE.

Way
Los Angeles, CA
Sunday Dec 13

No Way wrote:
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This is WHY he was elected. Change can only occur from the INSIDE.
He was elected to work on belhalf of our city, not against it! We didn't vote for him to cost the city thousands of dollars in legal fees. Next time we'll vote for his opponent!

Here we go again
Redondo Beach, CA
Sunday

Way wrote:
<quoted text>He was elected to work on belhalf of our city, not against it! We didn't vote for him to cost the city thousands of dollars in legal fees. Next time we'll vote for his opponent!
Hey "Way".... The rest of the council is going against advice from the City Attorney that this will ultimately have to go to a vote. Now, just who is forcing this into a lawsuit? Just who will be squandering our limited general funds? The rest of the council should simply follow OUR charter as the City Attorney advises. What part of this do you not understand? Don't blame Bill Brand just because he knows how to read.

And just how is the City Attorney going to defend a lawsuit where he has gone on record stating that he agrees that the final parts of this must go to a vote?

Go Bill
Murrieta, CA
Sunday

Way wrote:
<quoted text>He was elected to work on belhalf of our city, not against it! We didn't vote for him to cost the city thousands of dollars in legal fees. Next time we'll vote for his opponent!
This is ridiculous. So Bill should accept an illegal act by the rest of the Council? I voted for Brand and I applaud him for this action. And yes, I have sent my donation to BBR for the lawsuit.

The rest of the Council is costing the City money by ignoring the charter and forcing the residents to do this. They wasted our time and money forcing this zoning through and not telling residents or the Coastal Commission what the real impacts were.

Councilmen are elected to represent the residents. Brand's the only one listening. Over a hundred residents came to the Council asking to vote on this. Other than Brand, these pleas hit deaf ears.

It's refreshing to finally have a Councilman who stands up for the majority of the residents and who doesn't bow to threats, bullying, and name calling by the likes of Councilmen Aspel and Aust.

Boats not Malls
Redondo Beach, CA
Monday

What? Decron pulled its drawing off the web? And their reason it has been misinterpreted by Brand and BBR? Does that sound right to you?

Maybe Brand and BBR were too close to the mark and Decron wants to hide the evidence. If they think Redondo wants their mall, you would think they would have given a copy to the paper to publish with the article just to prove how badly Brand and BBR misinterpreted it.

Aspel's a big bully who didn't get his way on this one. Now he's taking his toys and going home. His differentiation between governing and campaigning is revealing. I read that as he misled people in his campaign and now that he's in he's showing his true colors.

Guthrie's comments about Bill's ethics couldn't be more off the mark. Bill's a straight up guy. Bill's the only one sticking to his campaign platform. The rest are typical politicians. They say whatever you want to get your vote, then they ignore you once they're in office and your stuck with them for four years.

Sue Em
Los Angeles, CA
Monday

R-Smart wrote:
Hey Redondo; It just may be time to re-write your city Charter.
This is a major issue and it needs to be brought to the people, after all it "IS" their town!!!
We DID make them rewrite it, when we passed DD. Now they just need to FOLLOW THE LAW, and if they won't, then BBB has EVERY RIGHT to sue them.

City Uncounciled
Los Angeles, CA
Monday

Here we go again wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey "Way".... The rest of the council is going against advice from the City Attorney that this will ultimately have to go to a vote. Now, just who is forcing this into a lawsuit?
The rest of the council should simply follow OUR charter as the City Attorney advises. What part of this do you not understand? Don't blame Bill Brand just because he knows how to read.
And just how is the City Attorney going to defend a lawsuit where he has gone on record stating that he agrees that the final parts of this must go to a vote?
Here, here!

Born in Redondo
Redondo Beach, CA
Tuesday

Go Bill Brand! I am sorry but enough is enough. The issue at stake is the fact that we Redondo residents passed Measure DD which changed the City Charter and gave us a right to vote on big development. By moving forward with zoning that allows a multi-million dollar development in the harbor and disregarding this new law and refusing to allow a vote, Bill's fellow Council members are breaking the law and rejecting the people they should be representing. Aspel can find any reason for this behavior but tends to only criticize Brand, continuing his legacy of pushing politics over democracy as he did when he approved the Heart of the City. Moreover to hear the President of Decron, the leaseholder proposing the massive development, criticize Brand is laughable. His promises to work with the community and build something we can all love just went out with the tide. It's too bad because many of us would love to see something nice down at the harbor but it's obvious these infill profit-driven developers are running the show once again. I for one will be helping Bill and BBR to file the lawsuit. Since the Council won't enforce their own laws - let a judge decide. Kudos to Bill for standing up for what is right. Check out www.buildingabetterredondo.org

R-Smart
Los Angeles
Tuesday

Sue Em wrote:
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We DID make them rewrite it, when we passed DD. Now they just need to FOLLOW THE LAW, and if they won't, then BBB has EVERY RIGHT to sue them.
Okay, if that is true, then why isn't this issue on the ballot? Maybe the re-write language was not explicit enough or exact enough. And if that is the case, the City Attorney needs to explain to Redondo citizens AT THE COUNCIL MEETING, what exactly the shortcomings are here. One word could change the whole dynamics of any structured statement and could change the entire outcome of any paragraph. Legal documents and language may be interpreted one way yet the language ment it to mean another.

Not only does it take a whole village to raise a child, but it also takes a whole village to write or even re-write a city charter. City charters give the citizens of that community a whole lot more control of their city especially when you compare that type of government to a General Law City. I would press the City Attorney for more clarification. Good Luck.

Born in Redondo
Redondo Beach, CA

R-Smart ... et al

The issue of the harbor upzoning is not on the ballot for us to vote on, as it should be, because the RB City Attorney and the City Council (sans Brand) are refusing to place it there. They are not honoring Measure DD which became law Article XXVII, amending the Redondo City Charter. They have decided it does not apply according to their interpretation. It has nothing to do with re-write language or pressing for clarification.

At the October City Council Meeting, the last one which raised this topic for public comment, over 100 residents showed up to voice their concerns. The response from the City was the same as it has always been and quite clear: Trust us - we have interpreted the new law - you do not need to vote on this.

The exact response of the City Atty. is found on the BBR homepage here:
www.buildingabetterredondo.org - scroll down a bit - it is an easy read.

Let us please remember the years it took for Redondo volunteers to get the signatures for the initiative Measure DD to go onto the ballot in 2008 and be voted into law in the first place. That was the whole village raising the child who grew up to be Article XXVII of the Redondo City Charter - which the City is refusing to honor. I commend Brand on his efforts!

Note:
These comments are cut and pasted from the Daily Breeze online comments section located on the Daily Breeze website.
They do not constitute a part of the original news article. To read the original article, please go here.

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